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RPJ : 14.08.2007 : 23
: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:44 pm : Riga Salsa Festival 2007: çàíÿòèÿ è ïåäàãîãè
Ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü ïðîêîììåíòèðóåò â äâóõ ñëîâàõ ñëåäóþùèå âîðêøîïû:
1) Vladi & Daniela. Spicy salsa
Ýòî î ÷åì? Åñòü ïîäîçðåíèÿ ÷òî ýòî ñàëüñà â áåøåííîì ðèòìå...
2) Leslie. Cabaret
Ýòî î ÷åì? Åñòü ïîäîçðåíèÿ ÷òî ýòî òåñíàÿ ñàëüñà, ìåæäó ñòîëèêîâ ...
3) Leslie. Despelote
Ýòî ÷òî? Ïî youtube ñîçäàëîñü âïå÷àòëåíèå ÷òî ýòî "êóáèíñêèé òàíåö íèçà æèâîòà"...
4) Manuel Mascarell & Charlotte. Secrets of salsa music.
Åñòü íàäåæäà, ÷òî òàì áóäåò ñîâìåñòíîå ìóçèöèðîâàíèå â ñòèëå Rhyth&Timing Ìèãåëÿ Âåðäà÷è... Èëè ïî äðóãîìó ïëàíó?
Æàëü ÷òî íåò îïèñàíèé íà ñòðàíè÷êå.
Åñòü åùå âîïðîñû:
 êàêóþ ñòîðîíó îòêëîíÿþòñÿ çàÿâëåííûå óðîâíè íà ñåìèíàðàõ:
1) Michal & Daniela. Salsa styling in couples (çàÿâëåí Intermediate)
2) Eric 'El Cubanito' Freeman. How to mix different salsa styles (çàÿâëåí Advanced)
3) Neeraj Mascara. Choreography (çàÿâëåí Intermediate)
4) Manuel Mascarell & Charlotte. Improvisation on the dance floor (çàÿâëåí Advanced)
Ïî çâó÷àíèþ îíè òàê çàìàí÷èâû... ÷òî êàæóòñÿ ïîëåçíûìè äàæå äëÿ èìïðóâåðà. Äà è ïî íàçâàíèþ íå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî òàì áóäóò ñìåðòîóáèéñòâàìè è ðàçâðàòîì äîñòóïíûìè ëèøü äëÿ ñòàðøåêëàññíèêîâ çàíèìàòüñÿ. : RPJ (Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:24 pm), 3 ()
spleenful : 14.08.2006 : 447 : Ðèãà
: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:02 pm : Re: Riga Salsa Festival 2007 Workshops
RPJ ():
2) Leslie. Cabaret
Ýòî î ÷åì? Åñòü ïîäîçðåíèÿ ÷òî ýòî òåñíàÿ ñàëüñà, ìåæäó ñòîëèêîâ ...
Cabaret - ýòî, íàñêîëüêî çíàþ, øîó-âàðèàíò ñ îãðîìíûì êîëè÷åñòâîì ëèôòîâ, òðþêîâ è òîìó ïîäîáíîãî, ÷åãî íå âñòðåòèøü íà òàíöïîëå â êëóáå, à òîëüêî â ïîêàçàòåëüíûõ âûñòóïëåíèÿõ
Natalie : 05.03.2006 : 1244 : Riga
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:42 am : Re: Riga Salsa Festival 2007 Workshops. Who is who.
RPJ (): Ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü ïðîêîììåíòèðóåò â äâóõ ñëîâàõ ñëåäóþùèå âîðêøîïû:
1) Vladi & Daniela. Spicy salsa
ïðîñòî èíòåðåñíàÿ êàìáèíàöèÿ (spicy-ñî ñïåöèÿìè, òèïà ñî ñòèëåì ÷òîíèáóäü íåîáû÷íîå)
2) Leslie. Cabaret
ñòèëü êàáàðå- åòî êóáèíñêèé âàðèàíò øîó, îáû÷íî ñ àêðîáàòèêîé, íî â ðàìêàõ ôåñòèâàëÿ óâåðåíà íèêàêîé àêðîáàòèêè, ïðîñòî õàðåîãðàôèÿ íà ïóáëèêó...ßñåð è Ñîèëà îäíàæäè äàâàëè â ðèãå ðÿä óðîêîâ èìåííî êàáàðå ñòèëÿ
3) Leslie. Despelote
äåñïåëîòå åòî áîäèìóâìåíò, êòîòî ãîâîðèë òàì åùå ñòèëü äàþò
4) Manuel Mascarell & Charlotte. Secrets of salsa music.
ÿ äóìàþ ëèáî îáûãðûâàíèå àêöåíòîâ ëèáî ïîäñêàçêè ïî ïîâîäó ñ÷åòà
Æàëü ÷òî íåò îïèñàíèé íà ñòðàíè÷êå.
äàëüøå äóðàöêèå âîïðîñû...íè÷åãî íèêóäà íå ñêëîíÿåòñÿ, íóæíî îäåêâàòíî ñåáÿ îöåíèâàòü è èäòè íà ñâîé óðîâåíü( ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî íà ôåñòèâàëå îí áóäåò âûøå ÷åì âàì êàæåòñÿ)
äàáû èçáåæàòü ëþáûõ êîíôëèêòîâ: âûøå íàïèñàííîå- ÷èñòî ìîå ìíåíèå! êòî íå ñîãëàñåí, îòçîâèòåñü _________________ DANCE!!
...because you can.
...sólo pregúnteme...
The Joker is Wild Çëîáíûé ìîäåðàòîð : 01.10.2006 : 1161 : Riga
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:29 am :
åñëè õî÷åøü èäòè íà óðâåíü âûøå (íàïðèìåð íà Ìàñêàðåëÿ), òî èäòè íàäî ñî ñâîåé ïàðòíåðøåé è ðàáîòàòü âíå êðóãà, ÷òîáû íå ìåøàòü îñòàëüíûì. _________________ Åñëè âåñåííåé íî÷üþ âûéòè âî äâîð, ëå÷ü íà çåìëþ è äîëãî-äîëãî ñìîòðåòü
íà çâåçäíîå íåáî ÷åðåç äóðøëàã, òî ìîæíî óâèäåòü ëèöî âðà÷à ñêîðîé
ïîìîùè.
Äìèòðèé Ñìèðíîâ Site Admin : 23.02.2006 : 1157 : Vivalasalsa.lv
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:48 am :
Àãà.  ïðîøëîì ãîäó áîëüøèíñòâî íàøåãî âûñîêîãî óðîâíÿ äî ñðåäíåãî óðîâíÿ ôåñòèâàëÿ íåäîòÿãèâàëè. Íå ïðèðàâíèâàéòå ñåáÿ ê óðîâíÿì íà îñíîâàíèè òîé ãðóïïû â êîòîðîé âû çàíèìàåòåñü. Ïîìíþ â ïðîøëîì ãîäó ìíå Êàòèê, ãîâîðèëà, ÷òî íà ñðåäíèé óðîâåíü ìîæíî çàïèñûâàòüñÿ òåì, êòî íà ïðîòÿæåíèè ïî ìåíüøåé ìåðå ãîäà, àêòèâíî òàíöóåò íà ñàëüñà-òóñîâêàõ - ò.å. èìååò îïûò òàíöåâàíèÿ ñàëüñû. Âû÷¸ðêèâàåì çàíÿòèÿ è ïåðâûå ìåñÿöû, êîãäà âû òàíöåâàëè ïðîñòûå äâèæåíèÿ è ôèãóðû è ïðèáàâëÿåì ãîä àêòèâíîãî îïûòà è áîëåå ïðîäâèíóòûõ çàíÿòèé. Âîò Âàì è ñðåäíèé óðîâåíü.
Íå ïðåòåíäóþ íà èñòèíó.
Äìèòðèé Ñìèðíîâ Site Admin : 23.02.2006 : 1157 : Vivalasalsa.lv
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:50 am :
The Joker is Wild (): åñëè õî÷åøü èäòè íà óðâåíü âûøå (íàïðèìåð íà Ìàñêàðåëÿ), òî èäòè íàäî ñî ñâîåé ïàðòíåðøåé è ðàáîòàòü âíå êðóãà, ÷òîáû íå ìåøàòü îñòàëüíûì.
Ýòî òî÷íî.
Nata : 14.09.2006 : 1748 : èç Ðèãè, íî â Ðîòòåðäàìå
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:13 pm : Re: Riga Salsa Festival 2007 Workshops. Who is who.
Natalie (): äàëüøå äóðàöêèå âîïðîñû...
Íó ÿ áû íå ñêàçàëà Îñîáåííî, ó÷èòûâàÿ òî, ÷òî çäàíèÿ çàíÿòèé äðóã îò äðóãà íå òàê óæå è áëèçêî, è, ó÷èòûâàÿ ïåðåîáóâàíèå, 15 ìèíóò ÿâíî ìàëîâàòåíüêî, åñëè âäðóã ñ ðåøåíèåì îá óðîâíå troubles...
Îöåíèøü òóò ñåáÿ àäåêâàòíî... Ïî óðîâíþ â øêîëå - ìû óæå íà âûøêå ( õà-õà, â ðàìêàõ ôåñòèâàëÿ òî÷íî ñìåøíî...), à ïî òîìó, ÷òî ãîâîðèëà Êàòèê (öèòàòà Äèìû) - èç íàøåé ãðóïïû åù¸ äàæå íèêòî äî ñðåäíåãî óðîâíÿ íå äîòÿãèâàåò, íå ãîâîðÿ óæå î òåõ, êòî íà òóñîâêè ðàç â ìåñÿö õîäèò... _________________ ツ the reason you smile ®
Inna : 13.10.2006 : 733 : Riga
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:25 pm : Re: Riga Salsa Festival 2007 Workshops. Who is who.
Nata (): Îöåíèøü òóò ñåáÿ àäåêâàòíî...
Âîò-âîò... "íå ïîíÿÿÿòíî..."
Êñòàòè, à êòî â êóðñå: óðîâåíü äëÿ áåãèííåðîâ - ýòî ñîâñåì äëÿ íîâè÷êîâ, êîòîðûå âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå óìåþò? À òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ÿ ðåãèñòðèðîâàëàñü êàê ar priekšzināšanām, ñåé÷àñ augstākais, íî íà âûñîêèé íà ôåñòèâàëå, êàê ÿ ïîíÿëà, ìíå åù¸ ðàíî ñóâàòüñÿ, äà è ñðåäíèé, åñëè âåðèòü Äèìå, òîëüêî ñ áîëüøîé íàòÿæêîé, à åñëè åù¸ è áåãèííåðû ýòî ñîâñåì äëÿ íîâè÷êîâ, òî âûáîð âîîáùå íèêàêîé îñòà¸òñÿ... _________________ íå áóäè âî ìíå õîìÿ÷êà!!!
The Joker is Wild Çëîáíûé ìîäåðàòîð : 01.10.2006 : 1161 : Riga
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:48 pm :
ò.ê. òàíöóåøü òû óæå ãîä (êàê è ÿ), òî ìîæíî çàïèñàòü ñåáÿ â Improovers. Íà óðîêè áåãèííåðîâ òîæå ÷àñòî ïîëåçíî ñõîäèòü. Íà ñðåäíèé (intermid) - î÷åíü ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ñ ïàðòíåðîì. Íà âûñîêèé - òîëüêî ñ ïàðòíåðîì... åñëè îðãàíèçàòîðû ïðîêîíòðîëèðóþò óðîâíè, òî áóäóò ïîëåçíûå è èíòåðåñûå óðîêè, à åñëè íà çàíÿòèå ñðåäíåãî óðîâíÿ çàâàëÿòñÿ 20 ýñòîíñêèõ áåãèíåðîâ...... _________________ Åñëè âåñåííåé íî÷üþ âûéòè âî äâîð, ëå÷ü íà çåìëþ è äîëãî-äîëãî ñìîòðåòü
íà çâåçäíîå íåáî ÷åðåç äóðøëàã, òî ìîæíî óâèäåòü ëèöî âðà÷à ñêîðîé
ïîìîùè.
Inna : 13.10.2006 : 733 : Riga
: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:33 pm :
The Joker is Wild (): Íà âûñîêèé - òîëüêî ñ ïàðòíåðîì... åñëè îðãàíèçàòîðû ïðîêîíòðîëèðóþò óðîâíè, òî áóäóò ïîëåçíûå è èíòåðåñûå óðîêè, à åñëè íà çàíÿòèå ñðåäíåãî óðîâíÿ çàâàëÿòñÿ 20 ýñòîíñêèõ áåãèíåðîâ......
ß òàê ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî íà âûñîêèé óðîâåíü ìåíÿ âîîáùå íèêòî íå ïóñòèò
Katik (): Ïàññû äëÿ îñòàëüíûõ óðîâíåé ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íà áëèæàéøèå óðîâíè, ò.å. åñëè òû ðåãèñòðèðóåøüñÿ íà èìïðóâåðà, òî ìîæåøü èäòè íà èìïðóâåðà, ñðåäíèé è íà÷èíàþùèé
ïîòîìó è èíòåðåñíî íà êîãî ðàññ÷èòàíû çàíÿòèÿ äëÿ íîâè÷êîâ, ò.ê. âïîëíå âåðîÿòíî, ÷òî ÿ ìîãó è òóäà íàâåäàòüñÿ, åñëè íà èìïðóâåðàõ êàêîå íåèíòåðåñíîå ëè÷íî ìíå çàíÿòèå áóäåò.. _________________ íå áóäè âî ìíå õîìÿ÷êà!!!
Natalie : 05.03.2006 : 1244 : Riga
: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:18 am :
çàøëà íà ïåðâûé ïîïàâøèéñÿ ôåñòèâàé:
èìïðóâåð-1 ãîä
èíòåðìèäèàòå 2-3 ãîäà
àäâàíöåä- áîëüøå 3 ëåò...
Èííà, áåãèíåðè ýòî òå, êòî óæå íåñêîüëêî ìåñÿöåâ çàíèìàþòñÿ...äî ãîäà...òàì òîæå åñòü ÷òî äåëàòü _________________ DANCE!!
...because you can.
...sólo pregúnteme...
Anna : 02.03.2006 : 1062
: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:33 am :
à â Èñïàíèè ëþäè, êîòîðûå 2 ãîäà òàíöóþò - íàçûâàþòñÿ beginners. âîîáùå, ñîâåòóþ îáðàùàòüñÿ íåïîñðåäñòâåííî ê îðãàíèçàòîðàì. äóìàþ, ÷òî Êàòèê òóò ñêîðî îòêëèêíåòñÿ. _________________ "ìóæ÷èíà ëèøü ïðåäëàãàåò øàã, à ñëåäîâàòü çà íèì, èëè íåò - ýòî âûáîð äåâóøêè"
RPJ : 14.08.2007 : 23
: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:46 am : Re: Riga Salsa Festival 2007 Workshops. Who is who.
Natalie ():
äàëüøå äóðàöêèå âîïðîñû...íè÷åãî íèêóäà íå ñêëîíÿåòñÿ, íóæíî îäåêâàòíî ñåáÿ îöåíèâàòü è èäòè íà ñâîé óðîâåíü( ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî íà ôåñòèâàëå îí áóäåò âûøå ÷åì âàì êàæåòñÿ)
äàáû èçáåæàòü ëþáûõ êîíôëèêòîâ: âûøå íàïèñàííîå- ÷èñòî ìîå ìíåíèå! êòî íå ñîãëàñåí, îòçîâèòåñü
1) Àãó, è ÷òîáû èçáåãàòü êîíôëèêòîâ, íàäî óïîòðåáëÿòü ýïèòåò "äóðàöêèé", à ïîòîì ïîëþáîâàòüñÿ ñâîåé ÷èñòîòîé? Äàâàéòå óæ ïðèçíàéòåñü, ÷òî Âàì î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ êîíôëèêòà íà òåìó "ñâîè è íå ñâîè óðîâíè". Òåìà àêòóàëüíàÿ ÷åãî òàì ïðÿòàòüñÿ... Õîòÿ ìîé ïîñò â îáùåì-òî ñîâåì íå îá ýòîì.
2) Çàÿâëåííûå óðîâíè âñåãäà èìåþò ðàçáðîñ. ß íå çíàþ ïî÷åìó íàäî îòðèöàòü î÷åâèäíîå: ñòî ðàç æå ñëûøàëè "ýòî áûëî ñëèøêîì òðóäíîå, à òî áûëî ñëèøêîì ëåãêîå". Êðîìå òîãî åñòü òåîðåòè÷åñêèå óðîâíè, à åñòü "íà ïðàêòèêå íàáëþäàåìûå". Ïðèäóò ýñòîíñêèå áåãèíåðû, ïðàâû áóäóò ýñòîíñêèå áåãèíåðû. Çíà÷èò èì íå äàëè â ýòîò ÷àñ èíòåðåñíîé àëüòåðíàòèâû.
3) Ñàìî ñîáîé, ÷òî ñî ñâîåé ïàðòíåðøåé ìîæíî è â ñòîðîíêå òàíöåâàòü. ß áû âîîáùå âñþäó õîäèë ñ íåé è íå ñ êåì á íå äåëèëñÿ. Íî è áåç íåå ìîæíî ïðèéòè, à ïîñëå íîêàóòà ïðîñòî äîáðîâîëüíî ñåñòü íà ëàâêó.  ÷åì ïðîáëåìà äëÿ îêðóæàþùèõ? Ñðàçó ñêàæó, òåõ êòî ìîæåò ëîïíóòü ñî ñìåõà, ìíå íå æàëêî.
4) Äà è íå â óðîâíÿõ äåëî â ìíîþ ïåðå÷èñëåííîì ñïèñêå. À ýòî êîíêðåòíûé ñïèñîê.  íåãî ïîïàëè "îáùèå" âîïðîñû. Êîòîðûå èíòåðåñíû, ëþáîïûòíû, äîñòóïíû äëÿ ïîíèìàíèÿ âñåì. Äðóãîå äåëî ÷òî îòâåò "íå â êîíÿ êîðì" íå ëèøåí ðàçóìíîñòè. Âîçìîæíî õâàòèëî áû ïðîñòî îïèñàíèÿ ñåìèíàðîâ è ëþáîïûòñâî áû ñîøëî íà íåò.
Ï.Ñ. Êîãäà ïóáëèêà èäåò íà "íàçâàíèå" èãíîðèðóÿ çàÿâëåííûé óðîâåíü, òî âåäü ýòî íå ïðîñòî òàê, ýòî îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî ïóáëèêå ýòà òåìà êðàéíå èíòåðåñíà. Âîò âû òóò ðàäóþòåñü, ÷òî "How to mix different salsa styles" è "Improvisation on the dance floor" áóäóò óäàëåíû ãåîãðàôè÷åñêè, ÎÊ, à âåäü áûëî áû ëó÷øå ñäåëàòü äîïîëíèòåëüíûå çàíÿòèÿ "äëÿ óðîâíåé ïî ìåë÷å" íà ýòè èíòåðåñíûå òîïèêè (äîïóñêàþ äàæå ÷òî èíòåðåñ çäåñü ÷èñòî ê òåîðåòè÷åñêîé ñòîðîíå "êàê ýòî ó íèõ")... : RPJ (Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:42 pm), 2 ()
Gizma : 21.07.2006 : 2721 : Riga
: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:14 pm :
Nata (): Îöåíèøü òóò ñåáÿ àäåêâàòíî... Ïî óðîâíþ â øêîëå - ìû óæå íà âûøêå ( õà-õà, â ðàìêàõ ôåñòèâàëÿ òî÷íî ñìåøíî...)
Äà, ó ìåíÿ òîæå ñ àäåêâàòíîñòüþ ïðîáëåìû. ß òóò ñåáÿ ñêðîìíî îöåíèâàþ êàê intermediate-óðîâåíü. Ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì çàãëÿíó íà ëþáîïûòíûå äëÿ ìåíÿ çàíÿòèÿ ó improvers - òàì ñòîëüêî èíòåðåñíîãî è ïîëåçíîãî! Íà advanced ðèñêíó òîëüêî åñëè î÷åíü-î÷åíü çàâëåêàòåëüíî (è òî áóäó îöåíèâàòü, ïîòÿíó ëè ÿ è íå áóäó ëè ìåøàòüñÿ ïîä íîãàìè) èëè åñëè ó äðóãèõ óðîâíåé íåò íè÷åãî, ÷òî ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóåò. _________________Óøëà ïðè÷èíÿòü äîáðî...
Èðè-íî÷êà : 14.09.2006 : 144 : Riga
: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:18 pm : Salsa levels
Ñîâåðøåííî ãåíèàëüíî ( ) äàë îïðåäåëåíèÿ ñàëüñà-óðîâíÿì Íèðàäæ Ìàñêàðà â ñâîåé ñòàòüå! Åñëè êòî ïîíèìàåò ïî-àíãëèéñêè - ENJOY! :
Beginner =
You think merengue = salsa = bachata, you are completely off beat as soon as a song faster than Chin Chon Chow is played, you sweat after 10 basic steps but still smile nervously while staring at your feet. You don't care what you are doing as long as some music is playing and you are having fun just moving on the dance floor. You see someone who can shake their shoulders, move their rib cage, spin 2-3 times and you are convinced that they are not normal human beings. You stay away from them but go to sleep dreaming of being like them (or with them) soon.
Improver =
You ask those better than you for a dance with a starting line "Sorry, I'm not so good.. can we dance?" You see people dancing several different styles and are confused. The idea of dancing on 2 is accidentally mentioned to you by someone and you just cant understand the logic behind dancing off-beat. You attend your first salsa congress and return home bruised, aching and depressed until you go out dancing again after a few days and realize that you dance much better. You have either found a boyfriend in the salsa scene, broken up with someone who does not dance or agreed on how salsa will take priority in your existing relationship.
Intermediate =
You are in no man's land!! You are convinced that you are an advanced dancer, that you can teach, and that no guy or girl should ever have to say "No" when you ask them for a dance. You know many crazy turn patterns and lead them pretty well though you still don't understand why there isn’t a circle around you when you dance. You spend half your salary on attending salsa congresses, browse youtube and congress websites daily, download music and chase DJs for music regularly and chat up your "salsa idols" at any given opportunity. You dress differently, talk differently, walk differently and enjoy the attention in a social circle when the fact that you are a salsa dancer is mentioned by someone. All in all, you feel quite happy to brag about your salsa social life to your non-salsa friends.
Advanced =
You only take workshops once or twice a year when your "international salsa idol" is teaching. If anyone else is teaching,you simply listen to your iPod, observe the class and comment on it. You are convinced it you should be YOU out there on stage teaching the workshop with 100s of participants clapping for you. You spend most of your time planning how to get there. You are working on a dream debut show which will instantly label you as the new prodigal salseros/a.
Professional =
You NEVER attend workshops. Everything fits in two categories … "I can do it" or "not my style". You believe that you are creating fashion and style with every torn outfit or flashy pair of shoes you wear. You are convinced that salsa congress organizers do not treat salsa professionals fairly and it's the most meaningful conversation you can have with another colleague.
Aren't we proud to be salseros? _________________ Viviremos el momento!..
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